tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post7929521136769043944..comments2024-03-25T14:27:40.121-05:00Comments on Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength: Feminism and Mother's DayWeekend Fisherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-74638711601747872532007-05-24T07:49:00.000-05:002007-05-24T07:49:00.000-05:00The only job that seems to be reserved for men in ...The only job that seems to be reserved for men in my church is ushering. Actually that isn't 100% true. But I think that when the Sunday School leaders are women and the Bible School leaders are women, etc. then they naturally ask other women "personally" to take part. General asking is always done, but I know from experience that it isn't as productive in getting volunteers. <BR/><BR/>Who puts the communion ware and elements out? Who decorates and undecorates the Christmas tree? Who does general cleaning? Who attends Bible Studies? Who helps in the nursery? Etc. Etc. Etc. <BR/><BR/>It is, somehow, easier to get women worship leaders, sermon givers, lectors, announcers, etc. <BR/><BR/>Church council ebs and flows, but overall stays about 50/50. <BR/><BR/>But the spiritual stuff...well, I think there needs to be more encouragement of the men.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-78154901537779856292007-05-22T17:40:00.000-05:002007-05-22T17:40:00.000-05:00My experience has been that the term 'feminism' me...My experience has been that the term 'feminism' means different things to different people. I consider myself a confessional Lutheran (ELS) but in some respects I am also a feminist. I am a feminist in that I believe in equal pay for equal work in the market place. I am not a feminist when a person says that men are the problem.Norman Teigenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704523935095549165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-46824852028608310092007-05-21T22:18:00.000-05:002007-05-21T22:18:00.000-05:00It's interesting how much that kind of thing varie...It's interesting how much that kind of thing varies from one church to another. In our congregation we have really good participation from both men and women in leadership. Some would say the price is too high (certain jobs are reserved for men). Every time there's been a discussion of whether we want to open up more jobs to women, the same things keep coming up: 1) women do at least as much as the men already; 2) if women started doing the other parts too, certain of the men would feel it wasn't really theirs anymore and would stop; there's a perceived risk that the division of labor would become lopsided. ... I've always been curious which of the men would stop doing what they did, but I've never asked. :)Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-70688725338976918562007-05-21T08:19:00.000-05:002007-05-21T08:19:00.000-05:00That is really an interesting and honest sermon re...That is really an interesting and honest sermon reference. <BR/><BR/>Although my church has many active men, and these days, the middle aged men take truly active leadership roles, in the past the men were rather passive. But women still do the majority of the work in the church that is actually "ministry." <BR/><BR/>I do think we haven't brought the boys up to be men in ministry. <BR/>They don't have role models that are men. <BR/><BR/>We've lost something in families when we don't exhort the men to be spiritual leaders in the home. Luther promoted this. This doesn't mean that the mothers shouldn't do this; I think it comes more naturally to the moms. So the fathers have to have more instructions as to how to do this.<BR/><BR/>I read once that kids learn about God from their mothers; they learn about the importance (or not) of worship from their fathers.<BR/><BR/>Many of your comments are about a different level of feminism, which I haven't studied, so I won't comment on that.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.com