tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post115647766333285202..comments2024-03-25T14:27:40.121-05:00Comments on Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength: Ethics and Violence: Turning the Other CheekWeekend Fisherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1157290147875949082006-09-03T08:29:00.000-05:002006-09-03T08:29:00.000-05:00Definitely. There are lots of references to 7's a...Definitely. There are lots of references to 7's and multiples of 7's in reference to forgiveness. I think the first one is as you said. Then 7x7 years is the timing of the year of Jubilee (where debts are canceled and property is restored), and 70x7 years is the time until Messiah comes in Daniel. Day of Atonement is in the 7th month ... There are more, too, I've never tried for an exhaustive list. But you'd really hope Peter would have got it. I think this is a lot of why 7 is the most popular number in the book of Revelation. Sabbath blessing and rest applied in its widest application.Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1157256574261305152006-09-02T23:09:00.000-05:002006-09-02T23:09:00.000-05:00with the 7x70 response Jesus is actually humorousl...with the 7x70 response Jesus is actually humorously reversing the vengeful boast of Lamech<BR/><BR/>"If Cain is avenged seven times, then Lamech seventy-seven times" (Genesis 4:24)<BR/><BR/>In other words, he is advocating "escalation of forgiveness" in the same way that our flesh wants to escalate violence.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Peter got the reference.Sharktacoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14211582724058718297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1157120581383937132006-09-01T09:23:00.000-05:002006-09-01T09:23:00.000-05:00jch,Thanks for the thought, I will have to think a...jch,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the thought, I will have to think about it.<BR/><BR/>God Bless<BR/>DougDougALughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335959723414264767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1156945704368406972006-08-30T08:48:00.000-05:002006-08-30T08:48:00.000-05:00Great post.The teaching I have heard - which may h...Great post.<BR/><BR/>The teaching I have heard - which may help dugalug - is that (if we assume that most people in the 1st century AD were right-handed as well) this is a back-handed blow to our right cheek. This is not a full-on punch; but a blow to our dignity and pride - as is stealing from us.JCHFleetguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11706076670231455968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1156802123825909842006-08-28T16:55:00.000-05:002006-08-28T16:55:00.000-05:00WF,Ramble On, this is a great post, and I like you...WF,<BR/><BR/>Ramble On, this is a great post, and I like your thoughts here.<BR/><BR/>I know you are right about 490, but it is kind of one of those funny things that comes to my mind. It is like, with the adulterous woman, and Jesus saying 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' In the back of my pescimistic mind, I always think, why wasn't Jesus hurling boulders? It is a silly question, but it does bring of a point about 'righteous anger'. Even if you are in the right, it doesn't necesarily justify a harsh reaction.<BR/><BR/>Now look! I ramble on too!<BR/><BR/>God Bless<BR/>doug<BR/><BR/>God BlessDougALughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335959723414264767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1156524402433236272006-08-25T11:46:00.000-05:002006-08-25T11:46:00.000-05:00Yep, I'm fairly sure I'll keep on the same subject...Yep, I'm fairly sure I'll keep on the same subject for another couple of posts, because lots of people wrestle with that kind of thing. I expect we all do. <BR/><BR/>And with the build-up to WW2, if someone sneaks up on you in the night and takes your things or destroys your shop, if there is no confrontation of the evil I'd suspect that doesn't really count as turning the other cheek, more like glossing over evil, and IMHO there's a huge difference. I think the buildup to WW2 had a lot of fear of the oppressor, resentment of the oppressor, weakness of the oppressed ... but not a lot of confrontation of the oppressor. <BR/><BR/>I like the 2 cheeks comment, and the last line of this post does kind of tip my hand to where I'm going next with that. And as for Peter's 70 x 7 ... lots of people don't take a good look at what Jesus said. The 70 x 7 is very memorable and I'm glad people remember it. But there's a requirement to confront the evil, escalation from the one who was wronged if it's not resolved, there's the issue of whether the other person ever acknowledges that they were wrong, all in the same passage. It's almost like we (the Christian community) haven't really given it much thought since grade school Sunday school. We miss a lot, and much of the mess we have on our hands is because of it. <BR/><BR/>Boy I ramble don't I?Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-1156511837175172882006-08-25T08:17:00.000-05:002006-08-25T08:17:00.000-05:00WF,Man, I have a tough time for this. For instance...WF,<BR/><BR/>Man, I have a tough time for this. For instance, European jews essentially tried this during the 30's and 40's, and the anti-semetic sentiment worsened. At what time must someone step in so that true justice can prevail. <BR/><BR/>I might say, you only have 2 cheeks, but then there is the scripture when Peter asked how many times to forgive: I chuckle at this, because I have thought that I have forgiven my mom more than 490 times (seven times seventy), and she has me, probably 10 times that. Does that mean that we have the right to not forgive each other?<BR/><BR/>I am having a time rectifying all of this.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for trying to tackle this issue.<BR/><BR/>God Bless<BR/>DougDougALughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335959723414264767noreply@blogger.com