tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post1973604999663540536..comments2024-03-25T14:27:40.121-05:00Comments on Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength: Embryo, Fetus, Baby ... Have we missed a possibility?Weekend Fisherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-9016383574934924842008-10-20T08:30:00.000-05:002008-10-20T08:30:00.000-05:00I think you did do an excellent job with your post...I think you did do an excellent job with your post. I think that a person's "choice" is so influenced by the prevailing thought in the community. Women felt pressured to "give up" babies 40 years ago. Then the pendulum swung to lots of women keeping a baby even if they didn't have a good support system. Or perhaps because they didn't have a good support system, ie, they were looking for somebody to love them.<BR/><BR/>Raising children is a challenge, no matter what. Parents need support, no matter what their situation. That's what is really important. And if the choice is that a person can't raise that child, then the support has to be better for adoption. There are so many people wanting to adopt children.<BR/><BR/>The real "choice" has to be made before a person has sex in a situation where the two people aren't able to care for a child. I don't think that the fact that birth control methods don't work 100% is really taught to young people. But, of course, that is unrealistic. We have to deal with the reality.<BR/><BR/>Part of the problem with the pro-choice debate is the emphasis on the woman, which is all well and good, but as your post explains so well, there really is a second human to be considered. <BR/><BR/>Well, this is important to me because I'm an adoptive parent of two, birth mother of one. I get skittish when either side uses rhetoric to make a point that blows apart the facts. For example, the partial birth abortion topic: this is NOT something that is common; it is only a very rare situation for some drastic complication. Whoever has this needs compassion not ridicule.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-43057543950368893912008-10-19T21:28:00.000-05:002008-10-19T21:28:00.000-05:00No doubt laws can be difficult to word but that ha...No doubt laws can be difficult to word but that has not stopped legislators from passing hordes of laws. The larger problem is that there is no consensus because one side does not recognize the developing humans as human and the other side does; there's no common ground there. So that's where I'm trying to start. <BR/><BR/>If I ever did march outside the local Planned Parenthood office (and hope I didn't find my mother volunteering that day on the other side), I think my signs would say "My children are the best thing that ever happened to me." <BR/><BR/>Take care & God bless<BR/>Anne / WFWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-86899528696733149772008-10-19T19:22:00.000-05:002008-10-19T19:22:00.000-05:00Interesting post. It's true that if we seek to per...Interesting post. It's true that if we seek to persuade the other side, we need to use the same language.<BR/><BR/>Minor rant: that chupacabra thing was one of the dumbest things I remember hitting the television screen! It was so obviously an ugly dog or some kind of canine, and yet it made national news. This is what we call a "slow news day".Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232209481041145155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-68881226130692004382008-10-19T08:41:00.000-05:002008-10-19T08:41:00.000-05:00I just saw a politician on TV stating that the pro...I just saw a politician on TV stating that the problem with "the life of the mother" argument is that is has been broadened so much as to be meaningless. That may well be. But the other side of the coin is somebody who knows nothing of a particular situation making a decision before that situation even takes place. <BR/><BR/>Exact language for a good law is hard to come by.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-2453147846733366492008-10-18T23:15:00.000-05:002008-10-18T23:15:00.000-05:00You know, I don't recall ever meeting a pro-li...You know, I don't recall ever meeting a pro-lifer who didn't respect the moral permissibility of an abortion when the mother's life was in danger -- not because the developing human isn't human, but because even among fully-developed adults we recognize the right to self defense up to the point of ending the life of an attacker. <BR/><BR/>I think there is probably an overwhelming majority consensus that when the mother's life is in danger abortion should not only remain legal, but is even morally acceptable. <BR/><BR/>Take care & God bless<BR/>Anne / WFWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15860677.post-77388455145164300012008-10-18T22:43:00.000-05:002008-10-18T22:43:00.000-05:00You seem to have both the language and science exa...You seem to have both the language and science exactly right. I studied enough rhetoric in college to see through many arguments. In this case, if we don't call something what it really is, then it really isn't what is really is. ..... <BR/><BR/>Having taught childbirth education for 6 years, I know that the class members called what was inside them "a baby," regardless of how far along they were, yet in some ways, they didn't really know the reality, that it was an actual child developing in there. There was always some measure of denial, some measure of unreality, and unrealistic expectations. That's why the people who favor "choice" use the language that they use.<BR/><BR/>I also commend this http://faithincommunity.blogspot.com/2008/10/life-or-health-of-mother.html to you for another take on the issue.LoieJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977264499770654307noreply@blogger.com